Tange prestige vs columbus com says the Tange Prestige is softer than Reynolds 853 but stiffer than 631. You can be relatively certain that any bike built with one of those three brands is going to be a good bike. 8mm. Both manufacturers make great tubes; the question, more importantly, is which weight of tubing is appropriate for your needs? Also, who made your frame is more important than whether it has columbus or reynolds tubing. Thread: Frames and Framebuilding (1978) Tange Prestige vs. welded Reynolds 631 Vs. So mid-range probably depending on what kind of tange. Ride wise I doubt that many could tell you the difference in a blind test. Join Date: Jan 2023 They still produce high-quality frame tubing to compete with companies like Reynolds and Columbus; however, they only produce chromoly steel nowadays instead of mangaloy steel. Tange prestige. Mid grade 4130 is still good stuff. 6/. 6mm in the middle. Jan 25, 2014 · For 28 years I rode a Trek 660 frame: Reynolds 531 main tubes with a Tange #2 fork and rear stays. It is exhilarating, but demanding. It's, was, a fast responsive frame, comnfortable and slim. Sale Regular price $6. Join Date: Jan 2007. Frame: Tange prestige tubing, investment cast lugs and bottom bracket, English thread (1. TANGE Tange Prestige Tubing Prestige is a high grade chrome molybdenum tubing which is subjected to a special Tange hea t treating process. 125"} down to . Andrew R Stewart: 04-18-17 07:18 AM: Personally liked early tange prestige ultralight for some boing. Biggest advantage versus 753 is its heat tolerance. Most importantly for ride and durability, 725 has much better elongation and What’s better, Tange Prestige tubing or Columbus Zona? Just wondering as one of my friends was is thinking of getting the 2010 Cove HJ but I have the 09 one with Columbus Zona tubing. Steel isn't as stiff as Al or C, but that's not a bad thing. In terms of overall tensile strength, here is the order from strongest to weakest of common bike tubing steels (We currently use Tange Prestige heat-treated CrMo): Heat-treated air hardened steel (micro-alloy)(Reynolds 853, Columbus Foco, TrueTemper OXPlatinum)* Tange Prestige is a heat treated tube and drawn thinner than Columbus SL (0. Tange Champion #1 . It’s design around a 130mm fork, has clearance for 29 x 2. 4 mm in the center section with the regular version. Then your big box store and low end unnamed steel bikes. 6 for SL). 4 VS 0. two of the frames are mtb and one is a Oct 18, 2006 · A frame using Tange Prestige that weighs in at just over 4 lbs is probably not going to get classified as "snappy". Another benefit is the availability of round tange fork tubes (can you tell I lust after a custom fixed?). Su gama de tubos actual consta de tres niveles: Tange Chromo, Infinito, Prestige y Ultimate. Thread: Tange Prestige vs Columbus SL tubes. Our Tange frame had the same wall thickness as the Columbus SL frame in the seat tube (0. 9-0. FWIW, for many years I rode at 215-220 lbs on a bike whose (non-OS) tubeset was pretty much exactly the same as Tange #2, and it held up great. Unit price / per . 853 has a strength to weight ratio close to Ti! Because the air-hardened joints Increase in strength after welding, the overall stiffness of the frame is increased substantially (30% greater than 4130 Chrome-Moly is typical). 8 butted tubes (I think) Tange Champion #2 . Hello C+V, I'm looking to replace the current aluminum fork on my 1990 Miyata 1400A. Unfortunately the downtube cracked at the head tube junction many years ago but I was wondering whether this tubing was used on any other frames and if Sep 5, 2017 · Between the days of the high quality steel of the 90s, Tange Prestige, Ultimate, Columbus Max OR, Reynolds etc and today's steel, are we much significantly better off? The older frames like of Kona Explosifs, and the Fat Chance Yo Eddy, and many others. in the same way Reynolds 520 is 4130, Dedaccaici COM 12. Sep 4, 2015 · The computer took just a few minutes to compare the hundreds of different combinations of standard tubes from Reynolds, Columbus and Tange. 25, Verus Heat-treated is $20. Mar 3, 2004 · From '93 ot '94 Bridgestone switched from "Ritchey Logic Prestige" tubing to "Tange Prestige" tubing on the MB-1. View Single Post 01-28-09, 04:01 PM #16 Longfemur. 00. Join Date: Aug 2005. Higher end tube sets such as Ultimate and Prestige feature seamless heat treated tubes for added strength and hardness. 8mm (that was Gordon’s request: most Tange Prestige frames are 0. something Sep 3, 2010 · COLUMBUS PRX 2310 COLUMBUS EL 1935 TANGE INFINITY 2405 TANGE 2 2290 TANGE 1 2220 TANGE PRESTIGE 1950 ISHIWATA 022 2200 ORIA ML 25 2100 TRUE TEMPER, by order of weight SL tubeset was about 1670 grams and Tange Prestige 1987 grams. That list is a lot shorter than the list of makers and models to look out for, which would inevitably miss out on a whole lot of the smaller makers. Posts: 5,280 Tange tubing came in different heat treatments and butting profiles, but it should still be chromo. The price list gives the current price hierarchy - say for a given 28. MTB steel frame Concorde Sunset 19. Now I'm looking at replacing it with a custom build-up of a used frame (531 and tange 900 bikes seem to be all that fit in my price range with the bars, saddle and wheels that I want) or a new taiwanese built 725 tubed bike. Weight weenies seems only cut out for super light road bikes. Location: beautiful "Cypress IMO, Columbus has always been better. It finally died in the fall of 2012. It boasted Tange's high-end Prestige tubeset and was fitted out with Shimano's top-of-the-line Dura-Ace group. $6. What is the difference? The Soma Smoothie is Tange Prestige and has a claimed weight (54cm) of 4. My only concern is the tubing. This is an adventure-biking sub dedicated to the vast world that exists between… Nov 10, 2011 · none at all. 1958 - Tange receives JIS(Japanese Industrial Standard) certification 1974 - Total frame components productions begins for seat stays, chain stays, dropouts, lugs and headsets. 1984 - Introduction of high-performance Prestige chrome-moly double-butted racing tubes. 5/0. Reynolds 725 Tubing Decal Reynolds 725 Tubing Decal Tange Prestige tubing. 1980 - Founder Yasujiro Tange passes away. Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Pin on Tange Prestige. View Single Post 01-28-09, 06:19 PM #18 Wino Ryder "Purgatory Central" Join Date: May 2005. Related: reynolds 853 tange ultimate schwinn paramount tange frame fillet brazed reynolds 531 columbus slx true temper ox reynolds 753 tange prestige decal univega ishiwata Include description Filter A Tange Prestige tubeset is approx. . i got this info from a bike shops tubing chart from the 1980s someone posted. 4mm in the middle. The current "Tange Prestige" (the name is still used) is not the same tube set. From Tim Neenan: the Expedition was made of Tange tubing, the same gauge as Columbus SP- 1mm/. Oct 26, 2005 · steel frames made of 853, oxII, tange ultimate prestige and ritchey"s tange prestige, and ox platinum. Reply reply More replies. The Prologue wasn't long for this world as it was pretty expensive and sold as a frameset only. Introducción de la horquilla de suspensión Shockblades. Anyone know of a. The CAAD9 is usually thought to be in the 1200-1350 range with fork, although I imagine the new CAAD9s will be on the lighter side of that with the addition of BB30 and a full carbon fork as standard items. Sep 5, 2012 · I have a '91 Specialized StumpJumper made with Tange "Off Road" double butted tubing. Jan 7, 2014 · Unlike Reynolds, whose famous 531 bicycle tubing was a manganese-molybenum alloy, Columbus primarily used chrome-moly steel. 6 tires, and allows a 34 tooth ring. It certainly didn't hold me back. Ishiwata 022 and better steer tubes had 5 straight (not helical, as Tange and Columbus) ridges. The Prologue was made of Tange Prestige. It is fast and precise. 5mm) though not as thin-walled as Prestige. 1lbs, without a fork. although the rush is heat-treated, which makes it a bit nicer. Ex: I was looking at bikes by Surly which are all 4130 Chromoly, the Soma Wolverine &/or Fog Cutter which are main tubes Tange dbl butted heated treated chromoly, or a customized frame by say Gunnar or Independent Fabrications (IF) which would be a mix of True Temper OX Platinum & Reynolds 853. 2mm seat tube. I have ridden Tange Prestige and Reynolds tubed frames and each has it's own characteristics. 2mm thinner than, for example, Tange Infinity. 4/0. 1992 – Tange Industries Ltd. The winning proposal came from Tange; a SuperSize version of their best seamless cromoly drawn to 8/5/8. Soma's are made out of Tange Prestige tubing. Jump to Latest REVIEWS EDITORIAL DEALS 21 - 28 of 28 Posts. #alliancebicycles #alliancebikes #allmountainhardtail #trailhardtail #hardtailhardcore #custombike #steelhardtail #fuckyeahhardtail #steelisreal #steelisrealmtb #steelmtb". IMHO as Id love hi end but live with Frame materials: Reynolds 501/531, 853 Tange prestige or champion Columbus is a winner if you find one not highly priced Wheelsize, Components and general wear factor in too. Prestige was offered in a wide array of diameters but the industry has made further developments since Tange stopped making frame tubing several years ago. ) but also available in “heat-treated” (quenched and tempered) form (Reynolds 725, Tange Prestige/Ultimate, Dedacciai HTS, Variwall Chromoly CMD Dec 10, 2011 · Thanks, that's a useful site. Tange Champion #3 Same "size" as Columbus SP. View Single Post 01-27-09, 08:26 PM #13 Old Fat Guy. Cold-drawn air hardened steel Home › Forums › Bike Forum › 853 vs Tange Prestige JPN Search Overview Chat Bike Members News Women This topic has 3 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 15 years ago by bom… 135 likes, 5 comments - 4rensho on September 1, 2022: "Money in the Banke. I’ve seen them sell anywhere between $160 and $450. 4130 will always lose its temper in the heat-effected zone. I am tyold by many that the Reynolds equivalente is 531 and on other reads I get some info on a steel called Tange Prestige. Which is to say it’s the rock bottom of mid grade 4130. 5" the splines would offer general stiffness torsionally (in theory). Stand over height: 76 cm. if they had one that year. Costs about $75 for a tube set. Aug 14, 2014 · Anyone riding a Surly or Reynolds 520 frame and saying “steel is real” doesn’t know what they’re talking about! Ride a Reynolds 753, Columbus SL, Reynolds 853, Tange Prestige (the original Prestige, not the stuff being used now) and you’ll really see why steel is real! Tange actualment sigue produciendo tuberías para marcos de bicicleta de alta calidad, pero sin embargo, sólo producen Chromoly en lugar de acero Mangaloy. Some of the best bang for the buck out there right now. How the frames fit you is more important than the material however. Like Reynolds 753, but made from chrome-moly as opposed to manganese alloy, Prestige had the tensile strength to be drawn to super thin-walled dimensions -- only 0. Tange Infinity: I think this is seamless straight guage Nov 28, 2010 · In '93 Prestige was very high-end tubing. StarbeamII Aug 22, 1997 · and Columbus (Cromor, Aelle, SL, SLX, SP, MAX, etc). 4. Tange #2 vs Infinity vs. Reynolds May 30, 2014 · You would need to know the tensile strength (MPa) and stiffness (GPa) of each steel alloy and then take into account the tube diameter, and profile, the butting and the wall thicknesses of each frame tube in order to say that a Reynolds 853 top tube is roughly equivalent to a Tange Prestige top tube which is roughly equivalent to a Columbus Max Nov 6, 2007 · Columbus Airplane Aluminum Zn, Mg 61 KSI 10% A light tube set that is well suited for track and time trials. Posts Thread: Tange Prestige vs Columbus SL tubes. 5, 4. 2mm Standover/76. Dec 31, 2007 · Steel (Tange Prestige front triangle vs 4130 CroMo), slightly lighter, Disc mounts (from 2008 onwards, which I don'y know if I care about), like the colors better I must point out that I cannot try either of the frames (there isn't even a distributor in Italy), so choices must be made based on research rather than feel. Let me know if there is anything else you would like Heat-treated CrMo(Tange Prestige HT, TrueTemper Verus HT, Reynolds 725), Columbus Omnicron and Niobium Micro-Alloy steel (old Columbus Life) 3. Tange tubing is all based in chromoly. I've been bike shopping and looking at tube info, just wanted to share info I found in a 1988 catalog comparing Tange #2 tubing, which would probably be considered pretty good and was typically found on nicer bikes, versus infinity and 900, which seems to show up Jul 19, 2011 · Also look at other companies, True Temper is a US company that makes very good bicycle frame tubing. -- so it isn't just "possible"-- it is true. You get that energy back on the other side of the pedal stroke. Show all posts. I've heard that these tubes are flexy, but I only weigh about 140 lbs, so it might work in my favor. 5 kg. May 15, 2022 · Steel types are often mentioned when discussing quality vintage bikes and sometimes modern bikes. Sep 21, 2009 · I would like to buy my first steel frame and I'm leaning towards the Soma Smoothie which is made from Tange Prestige tubing. Jan 13, 2014 · In 1985, Tange hit the big time when they came up with their heat-treated Prestige tubing. Soma, Salsa, Breezer, and Surly were all once basically the same company. 7mm. Banned . Their top tube sets up through the 1980s were a proprietary formulation of cold-drawn chrome-moly that they dubbed "Cyclex" but other than their particular process for working the steel, I was unable to find out exactly what makes "Cyclex" any different from any other - Tange Prestige heat-treated double butted CrMo steel; butted CrMo rear end - Track geometry - Investment cast Tange horizontal track fork ends - Drilled for caliper brakes - Now with two sets of water bottle bosses for those who do longer rides - Includes threaded 1" lugged flat crown Tange CrMo steel fork with curved blades (38mm rake) I was just trying to weigh up (scuse pun) the benefits of Tange Prestige vs Columbus vs 4130 vs Reynolds in weight and strength. I have riden bikes with both brands and Tange Prestige tubes. Aug 25, 2009 · If you look closely at the one I have you will notice that there are no eyelet brazed onto the rear dropouts or the front fork. Wheel size: 700c. View Single Post 02-26-23, 01:36 PM #15 chain_whipped. 035, about . around 120 KSI (about 50% greater). Miyata and a few others used special-branded tubing, too. It was the top of the line from Tange beginning with it's introduction in '87 until the mid-90s. An all rounder. i think they use chromo 4130 ?? on the rear triangle for both the older Reynolds and the newer Tange frames. Dec 10, 2005 · So Columbus put the rifling along the butts where the seat tube and down tube joined the bb lug. 8/0. Custom Tange Prestige (Ultimate Ultralight top tube, Ultimate Ultrastrong down tube, Concept seat tube & stays) Columbus Cyber frame Project Two Triple Butted Oct 16, 2016 · Generally the best and lightest tubing was the higher end heat treated stuff: OX Platinum, 853, Columbus Foco. This is racing metal. I doubt any riders could tell the difference between 531 and it's then closest competitor, Columbus SL. i've ridden a Zunow with Prestige and it was pretty nice stuff. 3 for 11 years. 5, 7. View Single Post 06-13-06, 01:07 AM #5 NoReg. lots of great bikes have been and are still made from 4130. 5cm c-c Rear/120mm Seatpost diameter/27. and, i meant to say deda zero-tre. Tange prestige main tubes and columbus fork blades. Full Member . 9mm, Tange’s was 0. 370" x 24 TPI), forged dropouts, 27. CONCORDE AQUILA Frame & Fork 58cm C/T Columbus SLX Pink White Black Used Vintage. Add to Cart. the way the builder puts the bike together also makes a big difference. pretty light. Rear end width: 130 mm. Is Tange Prestige a good tubing? How does it compare to Columbus, True Temper, or Reynolds steel tubings? Jun 19, 2007 · Looking at the Soma Juice 29er. who supplies frames for Prestige Cycles of Hove Columbus vs Tange Prestige JNM, AA7075 aluminum characterized to next GEN. They used numbers for some tubesets, with 1 being the top end. Sep 16, 2012 · Columbus SL Columbus SLX Columbus TSX Columbus EL-OS Japanese made bianchi's used Tange Prestige, if i'm not mistaken. Aug 3, 2003 · 853 has a much higher Ultimate Tensile Strength than 4130. 1991 – Introducción de la tubería Prestige Ultimate. VITUS 171, VITUS 172 Jul 22, 2006 · Tange Prestige is the higher spec of the tubes, but there's more to a frame than the metallurgy of the material used. 9mm on the ends and 0. After NivaCrom spoiled us, we shopped around for something nearly as good as NivaCrom, but less expensive. Weight: 2. ไม่ทราบว่าเฟรมที่ผลิตรจากท่อโครโมของ TANGE Prestige และ TANGE Infinity อย่างไหนจะคุณภาพเหนือกว่ากันครับ และวัสดุไหนแพงกว่า อยากได้เฟรมที่เบาและไม่ย้วย (ความ The big names are Reynolds, Columbus, and Tange(link to page with pdf). According to Bryant Bainbridge, the 1984 production Allez was made by Miyata and later by some smaller factories. the zero tre and the verus machines pretty smooth, but the verus heatreat is pretty damn tough, a hard but do-able handmiter. But, that has to be qualified by the fact that I weigh 135. The result is a very light high-strength tube for performance oriented bicycles. The Paramount specs were sent to a really good Japanese frame builder who was to use the Prestige tubes to meet the same quality controls but without any hints of 'badge engineering'. May 24, 2016 · Tange #2 is double-butted (0. Showing posts with label Tange Prestige. i think they're all excellent, but im impressed most with the tange stuff. Soma is in the process of switching to Tange prestige for their main tubes. they previously used Reynolds 631 for their main tubes. 900 Tldr: These tubesets seem to be roughly equivalent. R, Tange Prestige or Max O. Jan 6, 2004 · Ever since then I have only ever desired steel. Sale Regular price $41. 0 mm at the butted ends, and 0. And liked it better Thread: Tange Prestige vs Columbus SL tubes. Tange, founded a year after Columbus in 1920, is a Japanese tubing manufacturer. Another very good heat treated Cro-Mo is Tange Prestige. 5 Tange Prestige MTB ULTECH 4130 LUNG Shimano. It was more of a sport bike than a touring bike. Its low carbon content makes 725 easily joined with silver, brass or even TIG welding, although it does suffer some annealing in heat effected area. 6-0. They typically had lightweight Tange 1 or Prestige tubing with Shimano 105 or 600 components and they make excellent and reliable riders. I only have one Tange-tubed bike, a Panasonic track bike with Prestige tubing. My dad, brother and a friend or other are throwing titanium into the mix just for the lulz I guess. Often it would be shorter butting etc. 9/0. 2mm steering tube, English thread (1" x 24 TPI). Welcome the new champions. It is entirely possible that Tange does not suggest/encourage/require heat treatment of Prestige tubing after welding, but if that is the case then they are simply accepting the Columbus II Airplane Tubing Decal Tange Prestige MTB Tubing Decal $6. Their OX Platinum is every bit as good as 853 while their Versus HT is right on par with 725. Oct 23, 2009 · The tubing is non-oversize. Rocky Mountain was big on the Tange family of steels Hammer's used Ritchey Logic for example, Blizzards the Prestige Concept, the TeamComp used the Ultimate Ultralight, the Altitude the Logic Prestige WCS, etc. 9mm), and skinnier walls everywhere else. Posts: 5,115 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 3 days ago · But at about the same level in quality and performance as the Cinelli Equipe and introduced at about the same time, was the Centurion Prestige. Equipment: Tange falcon alloy sealed headset, installed. 1978g per the 1988 catalog--or about 10-20% lighter than "normal" straight gauge tubing. It had a Tange Prestige Ultimate Ultrastrong downtube that was unusual as it was a corrugated tube. Tange Industries 1986 Catalogue. Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Pin on The frame is made of high-end Tange Prestige tubes in various thickness and brazed at low temperature. other source/s? I had a handmedown prestige tubed bike that I wrecked in an accident. Tange's "SuperSize 8/5/8" tubing became available on the 1993 Arriva, the same year the Sovereign switched to aluminum. As you know Prestige was a seamless double butted tubes designed for track, road, but there was also Prestige Offroad; Prestige OS (Over Size); Prestige Super Lite for road racing but for riders under 135 pounds. The modern steel would be likes of Independent Fabrication, Surly etc. Sep 7, 2018 · Columbus tube sets, such as SL, SP, SLX, SPX, and TSX are all chromoly tubes. So you've saved a little less than a fifth of a pound in the top tube. the ox platinum is awesome because you can build an entire frame from it. Otherwise, the tubes were the same thickness, 1. ISHIWATA 022 2200. View Single Post 01-27-09, 12:43 PM #2 miamijim. At the same time, I haven't enountered any of the telltale signs of flexiness, including when riding it on 18% grades in the Dolomites. Would rather a looked after mid level cromo bike than a trashed highend carbon bike Headtube/stem Check as its not standardised. Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Pin on Sep 10, 2014 · It then goes down to tubing with, generally, the FM and Hahanna butted chromoloy, LD and CC double butted chromoloy, then the Kilauea and Explosif various higher end tubing ranging from Tange Prestige, Columbus variations through to Reynolds 853. Each brand has many different grades of steel. Here are some pictures There are probably other bikes, a lot of custom builders like Parkpre Team PRE MTB; Davidson and Land Shark used Tange Prestige. May 25, 2006 · I'm torn between Reynolds 753 and Columbus SLX, but there are also other options as follows; Reynolds: 531, 631, 753, 531 Super Tourist Tange Prestige is, hands Tange Prestige is often compared to Reynolds 853, and the very very best steel frames are often Prestige Ultralight/Ultrastrong custom mixes or Reynolds 953. 23:50 Jun 18, 2008 · you are correct. pasa a llamarse Tange Inc. 21 March 2013 The best bikes to look for in my opinion are the DX-4000, DX-5000, and DX-6000 models. Frame refurbished with new color and new decals, original chromium plating in nice Tange Prestige. The latter is probably the best steel for frames ever made as it's stronger than titanium and lighter than steel, and has higher tensile strength than any other brand steel tubeset. Later in the 1980s, the Prestige was offered with Shimano's Ultegra 600 and 105 groupsets. 1 i am buying a few different Soma frames (juice, groove, smoothie). The Champion line, or more simply just Tange, starts at #1 and goes down the pecking order to #5. This meant it was far cheaper to manufacture than drawn seamless tubing. Jun 7, 2004 · Can someone tell me how Tange INFINITY double butted cro- moly tubing compares to Columbus SL in terms of ride stiffness, road damping capabilities, and handling etcetera if two bikes were built to identical specs except for the tubing. n. When you experience the spot-on geometry and carefully specced Tange Prestige CrMo tubes of the Rush, you'll understand how aptly named it is. Though Columbus was the usual choice for Rossin frames during the 1980s and 1990s, the price of the Yen and the quality of production coming from Japan in the early 1990s saw many Italian producers, including Rossin, opting for the stronger Oct 16, 2009 · I believe he was responsible for the Allez Pro and Allez Comp. 85. Valerian level would be modern stainless tubesets, not something from the 80s Aug 10, 2005 · The Prestige WCS was a variation on the Prestige Ultimates, and the regular Logic chromoly was basically equal to Tange Infinity. there aren't many tubesets lighter than SL. The questions are : 1. 7/0. Aug 19, 2013 · The Prologue was Schwinn’s entry level, Tange Prestige-tubed road bike, equipped with SunTour components, a dilapidated model of which was found at Tampa’s Local Bike Outlet. 45 and OX Platinum is $33. Aero shapes are offered for all main tubes, including a teardrop seat tube with a radius cutout to accommodate short chain stays common to track bikes. Jun 14, 2011 · For example, Tange Infinity was a tubeset with similar weight and strength to Columbus SL or Reynolds 531, but it differed in that it was a rolled tube with a seam. Am I going to notice a difference? Oct 24, 2011 · Hi Dave, I have always heard that Reynolds 531 was very "comfortable" especially on long rides and didn't tend to "beat you up" as the so-called Columbus tubing was "said" to do. You could rotate the tube prior to mitering to tweak stiffness. The big names in steel are Reynolds out of the UK, True Temper from the USA, Tange from Japan, and Columbus from Italy. Tubing will be Columbus SL, SP, or SLX, Reynolds 531 or larger numbers, Tange #2, #1, or Prestige, or Ishiwata 022 or 019. Above it in the cro-mo range were the Karakoram Elite with the same tubeset, the Avalanche (Tange Prestige) and the Team Avalanche (Tange Concept) as complete bikes. Last edited: Jun 9, 2024 Reactions: bikeworkshop , JCS , doctor-bond and 1 other person Fog Cutter with 650b tires and low trail fork “Riding my Fog Cutter [with Soma's low trail disc fork] is an exercise in forgetting the bike completely as I flow through the countryside, or maneuver around potholes on crowded Atlanta streets, or tick and tie up a steep gravel climb – the geometry creates a bike that handles as if it’s directly connected to my brain – unlike any other Riding fixed gear is unlike any other cycling experience. The parent company of Soma, Merry Sales, has been importing Japanese and Taiwanese bikes parts from since the early 1900s. 6mm) and fork blades (0. I just picked up a '90-something StumpJumper FS frame with Tange "Prestige" tubing. Se establece Tange Europe AG. When the splines were oriented at 12/3/6/9 o'clock, they gave more vertical stiffness (in theory), and if rotated to have the splines to "1. Raced it Cat. Location: Tampa, Florida both those frames are cold-drawn 4130 steel tubing. Hope this info helps. 9mm: Prestige 0. a frame is not like a beanbag or deadblow hammer. 5cm c-t Top tube/55. A frame-only weight came out to be about 2300 grams. 7mm on the ends and 0. Click to expand and then the differences in the ride will be from the dimensions of the tubing (butt lengths, wall thickness and tubing diameter) and frame design. Rob It is typically supplied normalized and stress-relieved state (Reynolds 520/525, Columbus Cromor/Zona, Tange Champion, Dedacciai BKS, Variwall Chromoly CMH, NOVA CRMO, Kaisei CR-MO black label, etc. 9mm, and smalled diameters {<1. It was smooooth. I weigh 300, and I ride a Soma Fog Cutter, made of Tange Prestige. 0mm). Sep 30, 2019 · Tange Taiwán establecido. 5 and 10. Same as walls Columbus SL. 1990 – Se establece Shenzhen Tange (China). 00 Quantity. Depending on the production run it's either Reyolds 631 which I like or Tange Prestige which I know nothing about. both entry level steel tubing. 6/0. Prestige is a multi-regional esports organization competing in League of Legends, Fortnite, Call of Duty, and Rocket League. simply because it rides as good and is almost as light as the newer high end steels. I miss my bike. ORIA ML 25 2100. Tange Oversize Tubing Large outside diameter of Tange Oversize provides significant increase in strength with a Oct 28, 2005 · Historically, I prefer Tange tubesets (ritchey tubing was always drawn by Tange under contract incidently). R. Modern tubing has grown in diameter compared to days of old. Mar 8, 2010 · Rocky's steel frames, especially the ones using the air-hardened Reynolds tubesets went up in weight significantly compared to earlier non-hardening tubesets (especially compared to the nice Tange Prestige tubesets they used to use). 4130 rides great. However, the Circut and the Prologue were even more special. Post 3974580 - BikeForums is the leading online discussion site for avid cyclists. Feb 25, 2008 · AVR would basically be equivalent to Tange MTB, and the OX stuff falls in equal to Prestige tubing (all prestige tubesets being heat-treated) so if you compared the literally by model levels, the OX was Prestige, OX II would be Prestige Concept, and OX III would be Prestige Ultimate but probably just the Ultralight level, not the Ultrastrong or Mar 4, 2014 · FWIW, my modern MTB is Reynolds 853, my modern road bike is Reynolds 653 and my vintage MTBs are: 753 ATB; Tange Prestige; True Temper 4130; Columbus/Reynolds mix; Reynolds 531 ATB select. SLX rode stiffer than SL, noticeable when climbing or sprinting, but also a little harsher. Tange #1 is double-butted, and has similar weight and post-brazing characteristics of regular butted Reynolds 531 (aka 531c). Oct 24, 2012 · The Tange Infinity tube has a thickness of 0. Tange Prestige is a fabulous lower middle grade 4130, Tange Infinity is more or less indentical in quality and ride to the tubing from Surly/All City. The 87's were special, as well as the 88's. 9 (I think). That is the frames are the same size with the same angles I seem to recall a road test in "Bicycling" magazine years ago where two Bruce Gordon frames were constructed with identical geometries, but were made with different tubesets, one Columbus SL and the other Tange Prestige. 6 top tube, Verus is $13. Twenty six years since it was released, Ben proved how personally rewarding it can be to thoroughly restore an old lugged steel racer. Good quality tubing is reassuring but at the end of the day, if the ride is good it's good no matter what brand or guise. wim said: Comparing apples and oranges here: "Chromoly" or "CrMo" is a term generally applied to steels in the SAE 4100-series. 1 2 Nov 23, 2007 · My latest project was a frame built with Columbus EL-OS (Over Size) steel tubing. Then the more common but still very good quality 4130 steels: Tange prestige, OX, OX2, OX3, etc. TANGE PRESTIGE 1950. View Single Post 01-28-09, 11:13 AM #15 JohnDThompson . From looking around the web and this site there seems to be some thought that the tubeset maybe Tange prestige - it makes no difference to me it just would be nice to know :lol: The Oct 4, 2016 · They had different levels, prestige is prestige tubing to their specs None prestige is other tubing to their specs WCS was a silly spec tubing above the prestige spec for racing . Tange Prestige. The Vitus TXO tubeset was splined, but not rifled. Tapered oval or double butted Share. I have been curious of late about the difference in ride or performance between new and old steels. pdf Collection of Tange Data Sheets bikeretrogrouch "Until the mid-80s Tange was probably best known for their mainstay tube sets, Champion #1 and #2 (later called simply #1 and #2) -- cold-worked, butted chrome-moly tubing that compared favorably to Columbus SL and SP tube sets. 78K subscribers in the xbiking community. It seems like a good deal, at $88 for a full set at Nova, way cheaper than columbus or deddacia (sp?). Banke road bike with friction shiftin. Their current tubing range consists of four tiers: Tange Chromo, Infinity, Prestige and Ultimate. Fork: Tange blades, investment cast crown, forged dropouts, 22. Feb 12, 2010 · The 1991 Karakoram was a mid-range model and was built with a Tange MTB tubeset. One was painted blue and the other was painted pink. Going to Columbus Zona is a smart move in my book. Feb 25, 2023 · It shows tubing options as Reynolds 531/Columbus mix, Columbus O. Share on Facebook Tweet on Twitter Pin on . Old fart . Ed Prestige is heat-treated 4130. Wall thickness 0. The Tange Prestige tube has thickness of 0. 142 likes, 11 comments - alliancebicycles on May 9, 2020: "Matt’s 29er uses a mix of Columbus, Deda, and Tange prestige tubing. Pegoretti and others are using? The metal is quite strong which allowed Tange to draw the tubes thin without risk of tube failure. Senior Member . And Tange Champion #1 is a pretty thin-walled tubeset (some of the bellies are 0. The only way to re-establish the temper is by post-process heat treating. 5cm The Tange "Champion" and "Prestige" series tube sets had rifled steer tubes similar to Columbus, but with 6 ridges instead of 5. For example, what advantage would the steel we see in vintage frames, such as Columbus SL,SLX,etc, or Tange Prestige, have versus some of the new steels out there like Columbus Thron, Zona, or the pipes Sr. Mar 4, 2014 · Tange MTB / Reynolds 531 Tange Prestige / Reynolds 753 But we need to consider that Tange Prestige has been divided in Tange Prestige "Ritchey Logic" Ultra Strong, Ultimate… and for Reynolds, under the same number 531, there were series like "off road", "tandem"… etc What a mess ! :mrgreen: May 8, 2010 · Tange Prestige (on the Soma) is a branded, shaped CrMo tubeset. Posts: 1,936 Likes: 0 It was built using Tange Prestige tubing and a Columbus SL fork. Seems like a great frame for the money. 2022. Mar 15, 2006 · I used to have a '93 Kona Explosif which was made out of a mixture of Tange Prestige tubing. I assume that Ritchey sub-contracted their tubing from Tange. After that would be heat treated versions other than the above. Join Date: Nov 2004. 170 votes, 10 comments. I was told aluminum forks must be replaced "every 7 years" (confirm/deny?) and am considering purchasing a new carbon/aluminum/steel fork. Sep 25, 2013 · So, I am used to my Columbus SL. Sammy at Somafab. Jun 13, 2006 · Thread: Reynolds 631 vs. Location: Appleton WI. Steel. Columbus SL. jpg scans Tange 1988 Catalogue 40pgs. Sale Regular price £4. The Columbus top tube was 0. The difference in ride - marked! COLUMBUS 0; Cyclo 0; DAWES 0; Evans 0; Falcon 0; Favori 0; Flying Scot 0; George Elrick 0; Hanlon 0; Hetchins 0; H lloyd 0; Tange Prestige MTC CR-MO mirror gold 2 days ago · A database of seatpost sizes for various bicycles. 1mm thinner than that). Sep 2, 2010 · Afternoon All, I recently bought an un badged Saracen which I am confident is a Kili from 1996. The Infinity weighs 287 grams, the Prestige weighs 207 grams. EL-OS was used on the high end bikes in the 90's, I guess it replaced SLX at the top, which was used on the high end 80's bikes. Vitus also had helical rifling in their better steer tubes, but I don't recall the count. Color/Platinum Silver Headset/Shimano HP-7410 BB/Hatta R9400 Seat tube/49. Join Date: Aug 2003. Here's a link to the catalog pages; Tange Prestige. 028 about . 2. I've had other frames with Prestige II, Prestige Ultimate Ultralite, Mangaloy, Infinity, Ritchey Logic, etc. 1995 – Introducción de horquillas de suspensión. Typically 190 KSI vs. Tange Prestige is thin Yes. Or, just ride the bike and see if you like it. I think the only ones I haven't owned was Ultimate Ultrastrong and anything in the Ritchey Logic Prestige/WCS family. I'm always reading good things about Prestige tubing, but I've never read about this Tange "Off Road" found on regular Stumpys. The Columbus down tube was 0. 5 and Tange Prestige is 4130. They have a seamed tubing you'll see quite a bit: "Infinity". They're both very nice but all else equal, SL will make a stiffer, albeit marginally heavier frame than Prestige. (for Road frames) Tange Prestige is their lightest and top line. you can get most common frame tube diameters down to . (From John Schubert 1987) Dans le firmament. So I just wanted to know how their different grades stack up (except the 4130 which can be whatever), I used to have a bike with a reynolds 853 frame, I loved that bike, I want to know if there is "better" steel today, and what its called. lugged Tange Prestige. Beautiful Masi Prestige from 1988, great example of italian craftmanship equipped with Shimano Durace 7402 8v, handmade in Italy with Tange steel tubing by Alberto Masi, size 56 seat tube x 56 top tube (center/center), used but in perfect working conditions. Target bike builds are, tourers, of the Croix-de-Fer, Kaffenback, LHT, Thorn, Koga/Kona variety but info is scarce. State bicycles 4130 is on the better end of Low grade 4130, and is still damn good for the money. 9) cro-moly (head tube is 1. I don't know much about TSX. BUT and a big BUT it could be any supplier, of course prestige and by Tange gives the early 90s away. Mar 6, 1991 · A little bit heaver than Prestige but a lot cheaper and probably every bit as good for most riders. The earlier frames were made from Columbus tubing but yours most likely is Tange Prestige which (even though I hate to admit it) does have much better numbers on tonsil strength and other technical issues. 6 in the middle. However, according to Retrogrouch, Tange #2 is comparable to Columbus SP; see here: The Retrogrouch: Classic Tubes: Tange and Ishiwata May 1, 2008 · We have Reynolds, Dedacciai, Tange, Columbus, True temper and 4130. koz uvjwy ztxa xpcs yfns vawkqfi zucd oxv ghc icw